[gunner429]

Aari, on Nov 09, 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

Well I cant agree on that tbh.
While you point that an actual force master's choke should be as strong as the Lyn BM's choke, a forcemaster is pure and btw. highest PvE DPS class, together with KFM.
A Lyn BM is a support DPS, just like the Destroyer, and their force choke works just like the destroyers grapple (holding up bosses). You can skill that all attacks on a grappled target restores 2 Chi enabling all other classes spam their skills like crazy. A Lyn BM will not be on par with the FM DPS so I don't see any problem with them being able to do it and the Force Master not.

Well when you explain it like that I guess I can see your point. Force masters damage output is relatively high. Does anyone know if they are treating it as it's own class? Or can Lyns choose Blade master?

[Aari]

gunner429, on Nov 09, 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

Well when you explain it like that I guess I can see your point. Force masters damage output is relatively high. Does anyone know if they are treating it as it's own class? Or can Lyns choose Blade master?

Lyn BM is a new Class and Lyns can only choose that, not the "normal" BM. They have a different skill set, some skills work different and are counted as a new class.

[gunner429]

Aari, on Nov 09, 2012 - 5:38 PM, said:

Lyn BM is a new Class and Lyns can only choose that, not the "normal" BM. They have a different skill set, some skills work different and are counted as a new class.

Oh well then I do not consider it a new class. They did what I was hoping they would do. Allow Lyns to be blade masters but just have specific skill sets do to race.

[DayBreeze]

Aari, on Nov 08, 2012 - 4:05 AM, said:

After playing it for a while I wouldnt say its OP.

can't agree with you there.

Aari, on Nov 08, 2012 - 4:05 AM, said:

Yes the AOE dmg is great and I can just pull large amounts of mobs and kill them with ease (Crit Build + Health on Crit ftw). Destroyers can do the same and even easier btw. (Cant be stunned, knockdowned and so on while whirlwhinding, Lyn BM can be CC'ed, only blocks attacks in the first 0.5sec of the whirlwhind, maybe that changes once I can skill more points into it)

just because it is an AOE doesn't limit its uses to groups of mobs only. it can easily apply to single targets.

Aari, on Nov 08, 2012 - 4:05 AM, said:

But lets consider what actually matters here,

yes, lets.

Aari, on Nov 08, 2012 - 4:05 AM, said:

Endgame. And I would definitly say that the Class will not be OP in any manner there.
You are a Support DPS class, it is an addition to the Destroyer in PvE. Tanking might be possible but for sure more challenging then with the normal Blademaster. You also do not posses the Single Target Damage a true Blademaster has, at least not as far as I can tell right now.

people can categorize as much as they want...... it does not change the contents of the package NCSoft has given us --> decent DPS with good AOEs and good mobility. right now i see them with all the best advantages of blademasters and destroyers, without so much of teh weaknesses. can KFMs/blademasters hit hard? yes. can they hit moving/kiting targets with their hard hits? no. can destroyers hit moving targets easily? yes. what cripples assassins? Destroyer spin. can Lyn blades take destroyers well? well a destroyers' main enemy is tripping skills, lyn blades have 2 of those, so yea. do blademasters BURN through battle energy? yes. whats their fix? parry, which all melee classes can capitalize (BIG TIME) on, and also requires the blade to stand still. Lyn blades just take a new approach by scrapping parry altogether, using a fighting style that does not depend on parry for energy. categorize as much as you need, in PVP i can easily imagine lyn blades dominating every melee class 1 vs 1, with range classes being their biggest weakness.

Aari, on Nov 08, 2012 - 4:05 AM, said:

You can solo Bosses as a Lyn BM without a problem (not that it would be any hard at all with a true BM), the biggest plusoint is the fact that you have 2 Knockdown skills, so you can break through the CC imunity of Bosses and Force choke them afterwards, that is especially great to interrupt Bossattacks that you would otherwise not be able to block or avoid.

But overall, the class is definitly not OP!

PVE huh? mobs and bosses are not quite famous for being intelligent and unpredictable. if i can read its attack patterns and know which of my skills can handle that i can take a boss in my own autopilot mode. PVP, human players are different.

[Vile Samael]

While these are some interesting points, this is a thread for videos about the LBM, not a debate over how OP they are or aren't :/'' I think this is getting pretty off-topic and I keep thinking someone posted new videos when it's just more debating.

This post has been edited by Vile Samael: Nov 10, 2012 - 12:34 PM

[gunner429]

Vile Samael, on Nov 10, 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

While these are some interesting points, this is a thread for videos about the LBM, not a debate over how OP they are or aren't :/'' I think this is getting pretty off-topic and I keep thinking someone posted new videos when it's just more debating.

In all honesty there aren't many videos out. The ones posted in this thread are the majority of what exists right now.

[Vile Samael]

gunner429, on Nov 10, 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

In all honesty there aren't many videos out. The ones posted in this thread are the majority of what exists right now.

That's true, but it's still pretty off-topic for this particular thread don't you think?

[gunner429]

Vile Samael, on Nov 10, 2012 - 1:06 PM, said:

That's true, but it's still pretty off-topic for this particular thread don't you think?

Yeah but debate will arise no matter what. Kind of hard to avoid it. Might as well just wait for someone to post some actual content.

[spencerBAXLEY]

DayBreeze, on Nov 10, 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

PVE huh? mobs and bosses are not quite famous for being intelligent and unpredictable. if i can read its attack patterns and know which of my skills can handle that i can take a boss in my own autopilot mode. PVP, human players are different.

Not really. The fun of PVP is that a human can dynamically adapt to you, but you can play that card as well. If I understand the game's mechanics and what abilities I have at my disposal, I can adapt to the enemy. That's not exactly a far leap from PVE and learning a mob's attack patterns. :P

This post has been edited by spencerBAXLEY: Nov 10, 2012 - 6:46 PM

[gunner429]

OHHHHH VILE here ya go :)

[Vile Samael]

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[Radii]

*-* Thankyou gunner! Best gameplay yet.

[gunner429]

Micky, on Nov 11, 2012 - 1:46 PM, said:

*-* Thankyou gunner! Best gameplay yet.

You're very welcome

[Aari]

Currently uploading (Time says 140mins left currently) a Video I did real quick when I was lvl 26. Its about some AOE grinding tactics. Posting now since im gonna go to bed now and else ill forget, haha
Hopefully I'll find time this week to do some more Videos of the Footage I have.

This post has been edited by Aari: Nov 11, 2012 - 4:43 PM

[gunner429]

here's another from the one and only Steparu!

[Vile Samael]

Is that sped up or can they actually get that fast? If so that's awesome and would probably take out some of the "clunky" feel that I get sometimes while playing.

[gunner429]

Vile Samael, on Nov 12, 2012 - 7:46 PM, said:

Is that sped up or can they actually get that fast? If so that's awesome and would probably take out some of the "clunky" feel that I get sometimes while playing.

Nope they are that fast. Clunky feel? I haven't heard of that. Anyways here is some more!!!!











Any reputation for me? xD jk

This post has been edited by gunner429: Nov 13, 2012 - 1:07 AM