[Jayrune]

Soultaker, on Nov 16, 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

Alrighty :P i am a bit confused right now how my heatsink will go on with thw thermal paste though due to the socket covering oddly but im sure it'll make more sense when i take the plastic cap off and actually install it


I also dont know if i should go for FTW or superclocked though and what is your personal opinion between 670 and 680 ftw and superclocked editions?

superclocked is just a buzzier way of saying overclocked which simply means the internal clock is set higher than the spec specified by NVidia, which in turn gets you more flops and thus more pixels and thus more FPS in the same timeframe, in theory. now a 670 vs a 680, that's a hardware difference.

so, 670 FTW, 680 FTW, and 680 Overclocked.

All three of these have the exact same memory, same memory clock speed (6208), same capacity (2 gig), same BUS (256), so that's a non-factor.

FTW amounts to a buzzword, so is has about as much weight as "overclocked" or any other they might throw out..

the price point of the 680 and the 680 overclocked are identical, But look closely at the clock speeds. Normally the term "overclocked" means faster clock speeds, but since it's an arbitrary addition to the label it's not guaranteed. i'll admit i was fooled at first till i actualy compared the numbers, but the FTW edition you got there is faster than the overclocked one on newegg.
680 FTW
1084 MHz GPU
1150 MHz Boost Clock
vs.
680 overclocked
1058MHz Core Clock
1124MHz Boost Clock

so don't bother with the overclocked, you get less performance for precisely the same price.

so it's down to 680 FTW, vs 670 FTW.
so that's,
identical memory (counts in favor of 670)
1536 CUDA cores vs 1344, point in 680's favor, by 192 cores, or 14% increase of cores over the 670
1084 GPU vs 1006 GPU, 78 MHz in 680's favor, or 7.7% increase in clock speed over the 670
1150 boost clock vs 1084 boost clock, 66 MHz in 680's favor, or 6% increase in boost clock speed over the 670

price points: $470 for the 680, $390 for the 670, a difference of $80, or a 20.5% increase in cost over the 670
Power consumption: 500W vs 550, a 50 Watt difference, or a 10% increase in consumption.

Here's the thing, there is no guaranteed way to know exactly how much better one will perform over the other from the specs, benchmark tests do better but they are also dependent on the other components used. I have no idea how much bang 192 Cuda cores will do for your rig, or the extra hertz.

It boils down to are you willing to shell out the extra 80 bucks for the extra hardware potential. Both of those cards are hella powerful, i'm reasonably certain both could run B&S at max settings. If you want the absolute best, then the 680 ftw is the clear winner.

Personally, i would go for the 670, judging from the benchmarks i saw here i don't think the 680 version's performance increase warrants 80 bucks.

This post has been edited by Jayrune: Nov 16, 2012 - 3:02 PM

[Soultaker]

Guess im going for the 670 ftw edition hehe im going to assume 4gb is useless as well?

Any chance increasing the bus size would help?

[Jayrune]

Soultaker, on Nov 16, 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

Guess im going for the 670 ftw edition hehe im going to assume 4gb is useless as well?

Uh in what context? You mean on a vid card? The size of memory on a vid card will determine how much texture files your card can work with quickly, so it's kind of relative. i haven't seen a game that needs 4 gigs of vid card memory... yet.

[Soultaker]

Nevermind couldnt find one lol and theres some 670 cards just a few dollars below a 680 lmao

Apparently this cardis top dog what are your thoughts?

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814121634

[Jayrune]

Soultaker, on Nov 16, 2012 - 1:19 PM, said:

Nevermind couldnt find one lol and theres some 670 cards just a few dollars below a 680 lmao

Apparently this cardis top dog what are your thoughts?

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814121634

heh, 70 more dollars for 51 more Mhz of boost clock and 53 more MHz of core clock over the 680 FTW, but a slower memory clock by 200 MHz. hmm, mem clock difference is probably not appreciable, i pretty much have the same take on it vs the 680 FTW as i do for 670 FTW vs 680 FTW. It's superior graphics generating power, for a hefty price tag. To be expected really, you pay a premium to have the cutting edge.

however, that beast of a card take up 3 PCI slots of space due to it's cooling setup (copper heat pipes, very good for heat transfer, takes up plenty of space) so there is that to keep in mind, not a big issue so long as you got a motherboard and case with the space.

This post has been edited by Jayrune: Nov 16, 2012 - 1:57 PM

[Soultaker]

Well as you could see in my build ive got the asrock z77 extreme 4 and the zalman z11 plus case you think it could hold it

This post has been edited by Soultaker: Nov 16, 2012 - 2:18 PM

[Jayrune]

yeah it looks like it would fit, you'd just be down one usable PCI slot, which it looks like you wouldn't be using anyways.

and that motherboard does look impressive for it's price point, i'll be very curious to know how well your rig runs once you got it fully built.

This post has been edited by Jayrune: Nov 16, 2012 - 2:24 PM

[Soultaker]

Hehe will surely let you know. I think ill go for that asus card. Hopefully it will be in stock when i get the money

I used this to make my choice

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814121634

holy crap lol i just saw how long the card was. I would literally have to squeeze that thing in my case.

i'll see if i can find an alternative lol

http://www.newegg.co...gtx%20670%20amp

That seems like a decent alternative its memory clock speed is insane

having too many choices is making my brain hurt

This post has been edited by Soultaker: Nov 16, 2012 - 3:26 PM

[Jayrune]

Soultaker, on Nov 16, 2012 - 3:12 PM, said:

Hehe will surely let you know. I think ill go for that asus card. Hopefully it will be in stock when i get the money

I used this to make my choice

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814121634

holy crap lol i just saw how long the card was. I would literally have to squeeze that thing in my case.

i'll see if i can find an alternative lol

http://www.newegg.co...gtx%20670%20amp

That seems like a decent alternative its memory clock speed is insane

i wouldn't worry about the memory clock speed too much, a card is only as good as it's tightest bottleneck and at this grade of card the memory will be taken care of to make sure it's not a bottleneck to the primary processing. the other clock speeds are superior to the 670 FTW edition though, for an extra 60 bucks.

I'd be cautious of that ZOTAC, 5 eggs, but only 2 reviews total, plus it's saying it needs a 600 watt minimum and it's only a 670, undoubtedly due to the ramped up clocks. i would not want to put that in a machine with a less than 750 watt power supply.

And i notice you've jumped back and forth between 670's and 680's a few times. Are you going for "Max performance, damn the price!" or a more balanced approach?


http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130787

Man, looking a this thing and comparing it to what i got in my machine, i'm tempted to buy this myself despite it being nearly $400 cause of the second review alone "makes me regret buying a 500 series". i got a 560 and it only has 384 cores vs the 1000+ these got.

Edit: ah, choices overload, i remember that feeling all too well. Well if it helps, i am 99% certain that the 470 FTW linked here will let you max B&S and probably every other game you play for quite some time, plus it's got a wattage requirement that i'm pretty sure your build can handle. seriously, the thing has gotten 271 5-egg reviews with the next most common only having 41, and they look like they are anger reviews for getting cards that had a manufacturing defect (a risk of all devices and handled via NewEgg's return policy)

This post has been edited by Jayrune: Nov 16, 2012 - 3:55 PM

[Soultaker]

i guess i'll save the money and just stick with the 670 FTW and yeah i was trying to go for a balanced approach but i also was going DAMN THAT PRICE lmao i'll be screaming like a school girl when it's all said and done and put in my case though

[Jayrune]

Soultaker, on Nov 16, 2012 - 4:11 PM, said:

i guess i'll save the money and just stick with the 670 FTW and yeah i was trying to go for a balanced approach but i also was going DAMN THAT PRICE lmao i'll be screaming like a school girl when it's all said and done and put in my case though

And then, you will turn it on, and install your OS, and then Install a really cool looking game, and then you will look like this:

[Soultaker]

This will be very true indeed XD

So it seems we just keep coming back to that evga 670 ftw card so it seems that's what i should go with lol and i guess with the saved money i'll buy an SSD also to install my OS on for faster boot times

This computer feels like this video to me

[Jayrune]

Soultaker, on Nov 16, 2012 - 4:31 PM, said:

*snip*
i'll buy an SSD also to install my OS on for faster boot times
*snip*

You will not be unhappy with this, i guarantee. Once you go solid state, you don't go back.

[Soultaker]

i did a quick read on toms hardware on the 670s and they said this was the better all around card

http://www.newegg.co...te%20N670OC-2GD

how it compares to evgas 670 FTW im not too sure.

SSDs are just so expensive with so little space it makes me sad i was thinking of maybe buying one just to install blade and soul onto but i dunno if that would make a difference on an mmo.

EVGAs card is no contest. It's less power hungry and it's shorter and runs faster.

[Jayrune]

Soultaker, on Nov 16, 2012 - 4:47 PM, said:

i did a quick read on toms hardware on the 670s and they said this was the better all around card

http://www.newegg.co...te%20N670OC-2GD

how it compares to evgas 670 FTW im not too sure.

SSDs are just so expensive with so little space it makes me sad i was thinking of maybe buying one just to install blade and soul onto but i dunno if that would make a difference on an mmo.

EVGAs card is no contest. It's less power hungry and it's shorter and runs faster.

huh, not sure what to make of that unless the article is old, the FTW editions have same everything except clock speed and price (with the FTW editions having a bit more and yet cost less). I'd have to dig into it to try to figure out why, entirely possible gigabyte figured out a more efficient die cast for it's card or something. i doubt that the difference between the two cards would be appreciable.

and yes, SSD drives are still hella pricey,

as for making a difference in an MMO, that depends on the MMO. the ONLY thing a SSD will improve is load time from hard disk, nothing else. So for an MMO, that's load time of an instance, or any place where you would normally see a loading screen that's not dependent on network communication.

SWTOR for example, won't care until you try to change worlds or jump into an instance.

i would not recommend trying to get a SSD big enough to load several games on, you'll drop more money on that than you would on a vid card and it's not nearly as important. A small SSD for a boot drive? Might want to spring for that, your boot time will never appreciably slow down as your comp ages even if you load it with bloatware.

[Soultaker]

Its funny i wonder where everyone else is

30 gb ssd still hella pricy meh id also like to have a 10000 rpm hdd but itd die faster i think than a 7200

I want to put my sata 3 cords to good use D:
Any suggestions?

I think we scared off the guild members xD i thought theyd love to put thwy're input in too on this convo

[Jayrune]

Soultaker, on Nov 17, 2012 - 6:08 AM, said:

Its funny i wonder where everyone else is

30 gb ssd still hella pricy meh id also like to have a 10000 rpm hdd but itd die faster i think than a 7200

I want to put my sata 3 cords to good use D:
Any suggestions?

I think we scared off the guild members xD i thought theyd love to put thwy're input in too on this convo

lol, i don't mean to be scary! honest! i'm a big teddy bear, ignore the teeth and claws.

the sata ports are for anything that isn't connected via the PCI or USB ports, so hard drives and optical drives are the most common things. the reason the board has so many (4 at 3 g and 4 at 6 gb) is to support a RAID array of hard drives. the intel Z77 chip on your motherboard had built in support for RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, and RAID 10 (refer Here for more detail on what the various types of RAID arrays are and do)

so unless you plan on either a) building a RAID array or b) have a lot of optical drives for something or another odds are you'll just use 2 of the 3 gb SATA's.

The 3 gb SATA's are more than any standard Hard drive or optical drive can currently make use of, the 6 GB SATA's would be useful to a faster SSD as some of those can actually max out the 3 gb SATA connections now.

[Soultaker]

well i wasnt sure what to do but i connected my dvd burner with a sata 3 cable that it came with. Wasn't sure if this would hurt it or not or just not work.

Im still learning tech and what not so im learning a whole bunch i never knew before so this convo of ours is very enlightning and i was going to see if i could get that asus 670 top edition but it's got 3 eggs which is horrible so the EVGA is still on top.

Since im getting this card you still wanting to know how my build goes?

Ah yes one other important piece of info i think you'd like to know lol. The monitor i use isnt really a PC monitor it's a 60" LED HDTV. So when i play on 1080p the text is SMALL AS CRAP so i actually have to play in smaller resolutions so i can read the dang text lol and the tv is 120hz

[Jayrune]

Soultaker, on Nov 17, 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

well i wasnt sure what to do but i connected my dvd burner with a sata 3 cable that it came with. Wasn't sure if this would hurt it or not or just not work.

Im still learning tech and what not so im learning a whole bunch i never knew before so this convo of ours is very enlightning and i was going to see if i could get that asus 670 top edition but it's got 3 eggs which is horrible so the EVGA is still on top.

Since im getting this card you still wanting to know how my build goes?

Ah yes one other important piece of info i think you'd like to know lol. The monitor i use isnt really a PC monitor it's a 60" LED HDTV. So when i play on 1080p the text is SMALL AS CRAP so i actually have to play in smaller resolutions so i can read the dang text lol and the tv is 120hz

but at that size... i would think the text is would still be visible at 1080p... plus many games will let you increase the size of fonts, here's hoping B&S does too!

and yeah, i do want to know how it turns out

edit: my god, the more i think about, the more awesome PVP is gonna look on that screen, my monitor seems so inadequate now

This post has been edited by Jayrune: Nov 17, 2012 - 1:15 PM

[Soultaker]

sure thing :) just 4 weeks or so and i'll have it all and hopefully after i get that cpu and hard drive it'll work like it should :)

Also about the sata cords. Will it do anything to my dvd burner since it's a sata 3 cable. I don't even know why honestly of why it needs a sata cable >.>

i need to go to bed i stay up too long >.> lol