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Iron Fan Master

Do you think this class should be added to the game?  

109 members have voted

  1. 1. Do you think this class should be added to the game?

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ZDestiny   

In my opinion, this should be yun exclusive class, because a fan is very elegant and because yun is a very elegant race and consists only of female members (yes in my opinion a fan wouldn´t fit a men). And Yun needs an exclusive class :big_smile:

Ye, just imagine a huge Gon male drawing his fan blade out for a duel.. glorious. :embarrassed:

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Mion   

Kun class exclusive plsssss!! Have been wanting this concept for soo long :joss_stick: Julia uses fans too, so maybe Jin class can have it, but Kun must definitely have it.

As for defense, having an active parry skill like WL or BM is a bit weird, but maybe a deflect skill like LBM's spin might work. But of course, not the same spinning animation :big_smile: Or maybe something like KFM's Elbow Counter skill, 0.5s window deflect.

If this class ever enters the game, probably will be my new main :dreaming:

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Honestly wouldn't have thought of this myself and was a bit sceptical but you have sold me on the idea and I can already envision and in-game character. It sounds fantastic the way you put it and definitely fits right in the game in my opinion. You've got my vote!

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Thanks for replies.

As for defense, having an active parry skill like WL or BM is a bit weird, but maybe a deflect skill like LBM's spin might work. But of course, not the same spinning animation :big_smile: Or maybe something like KFM's Elbow Counter skill, 0.5s window deflect.

Ye, your right about the active parry being weird. It's actually not an bad idea to have sometihing similar as the LBM Tab. I was thinking to make the class ''dance to deflect'', instead of spinning, because that would look more natural for a Iron Fan Master.

If im not wrong LBM's tab can be used in mid-air too? Asking because it would work out for this class.

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Need some feedback here:

I thought about adding some additional things to 'Throw fan blade', which is an option to 'callback' the fan blade. So you don't have to wait for the 180 degrees animation and you can re-position yourself potentially hit another target while retrieving the fan blade.

And the other option was to have a trigger upon hit to pull the target towards you. Similar to the BM blade throw/pull, but this one can be manual with an time frame. So when hitting multiple targets you can pick which target you want to pull.

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Kaei   

Julia uses fans too, so maybe Jin class can have it, but Kun must definitely have it.

No no no, nothing against Jins but they have so many classes already, IF not a Yun/Kun exclusive at least give to Gons as well :big_smile:

But yes! Yes! I would love to see this class! :love:

...then I can name my character Kitana heh

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Cynthia   

That sounds like a pretty good idea.. More love to the Yun! :pokeeyesout:

And Gon .3.

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Kurokazu   

I was going to make a post about this!! You beat me to it xD

All I had to do was read the title and I voted yes.

Honestly this is one of my favorite martial arts styles both in RL and in fantasy. It's beautiful, elegant, sexy, and deadly. I LOVE it. It can have wind, melee, and ranged attacks. Also very good blocking and counterattacks. So diverse and so much potential.

Ideally I think this would be a great class for Yun and Jin (male and female).

I would personally go to NCsoft headquarters and beg them to make this class LOL so I reallllllly hope we get enough support for them to see this/consider it. They want to make something new, unique and popular? This would be it :adore: <3

edit: I also want to add that I think dual fans would be perfect ;)

In my opinion, this should be yun exclusive class, because a fan is very elegant and because yun is a very elegant race and consists only of female members (yes in my opinion a fan wouldn´t fit a men). And Yun needs an exclusive class :big_smile:

The tessen were mainly used by men actually as weapons in disguise and as a backup if they lost their sword in battle. =P

Regardless, this class can be both feminine and masculine. So it would be pretty badass for either gender! Not Gon though....they'd break the fan xD

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I can't help but think of

in Legend of the Condor Heroes, which made me instantly fall in love with the reserved style of using fans, like a subtle 'I am better than you with a weapon'. This video compared to OP is simply to show my support for fans on males as well (I think it really makes them look very scholarly, learned, and composed).

(I didn't embed the above link because I couldn't figure out how to embed it while keeping the start time, but for those who don't want to navigate out it's at 30:28).

Extra note: So that brings up a concern: some actual weaponry fans have metal spokes holding cloth taut, but others ONLY have spokes with string connecting them all together as a cohesive fan. The first type seems to me more counter-attack (sword pokes through cloth, user snaps fan closed to twist sword out of opponent's hand) while the second is simply a parry or block. The above video showcases the second type of fan, and since we don't have "disarming" mechanisms in Blade and Soul the second model would probably work better.\

Edit 1: Extra note on fan designs

Edit 2: Emphasizing that males can have fans too >.<

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Kurokazu   

Edit 1: Extra note on fan designs

Edit 2: Emphasizing that males can have fans too >.<

I've been looking for a good male tessenjutsu video, so I'm really glad you posted this! It definitely shows the style well (despite the obvious use of the stunt-man wire lol) and how badass it can look with either gender. It's actually a very good balance for males. It doesn't always have to be about being aggressive.

I think the traditional design would work better (the one from the video). Throwing the fans and having them act as flying razorblades is something out of animation/movies, but it can still be used that way in the game. Maybe the spokes can jut out when the fan is thrown?

Blademasters can have swords flying around and floating on their backs; fan users can throw razor boomerang fans ;)

The fan can be used open and closed, which creates a lot of options for a variety different moves.

Also, some well known animated fan users:

Yumi (Code Lyoko)

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Kagura (Inuyasha)

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@CovertRui

Thanks for adding the video. I haven't watched this series.

I also think it can and should be used by both gender. The only thing that might look weird is a Gon male being so huge that it makes a Fan Blade look silly.

Not sure if anyone can tell me about weapon size between races on BnS? For example KFM Jin/Yun/Gon, do they have re-scaled knuckles? If yes, then they can do it for the fan blade. If not, the best possibile solution is to make a fan blade size bigger than the actual thing to fit into the several races/size.

On fan design/types, some of the elements probably cannot be created in the game, however it can be compensated by adding stun/dazed/restrained effect to some skills that suppose to 'disarm' the target on hit.

As for fan blade feature, like blades sticking out. I think that can be added as effect from the skill.

We are going to need more votes from the community to get this suggestion pushed to NCsoft devs.

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Mion   

Weapon sizes actually depend on the character's hand size. I heard it is possible to make a Lyn use an oversized blade..

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Kurokazu   

I also think it can and should be used by both gender. The only thing that might look weird is a Gon male being so huge that it makes a Fan Blade look silly.

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We are going to need more votes from the community to get this suggestion pushed to NCsoft devs.

Whether the fan itself is resized or not, I don't think the Gon as a race possess the finesse required for this class lol

Yun/Kun and Jin definitely though.

What could we do to get more attention to this idea? Dojo members don't seem to pay much attention to the feedback section compared to general discussion....

Maybe we could link this thread to the B&S facebook page? Idk what else we could try, but I'm sure we could get enough support if a lot of people see it.

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I was on a reminiscing trip when I realized, do you guys know

? Imagine we had one hand with the war fan and the other with this, enabling ranged support and grabs using the cloth (though that would be a clipping and coding nightmare). Just my fancy...

Also I think the best way to get this noticed would be to either spam the livestreams or twitter feeds of the team. I'm not sure about the fb page, but can't hurt to try right? Good thing about fans is you can make a pun and hashtag bnsfans haha...

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Weapon sizes actually depend on the character's hand size. I heard it is possible to make a Lyn use an oversized blade..

Thanks, i didn't know that. Time to create some creepy lyn character. ;o

Dojo members don't seem to pay much attention to the feedback section compared to general discussion....Maybe we could link this thread to the B&S facebook page? Idk what else we could try, but I'm sure we could get enough support if a lot of people see it.

The feedback section is something like, a place where dreams are just dreams. ;D

Yeah social media is probably a way to get their attention, I'd say all people who want to see this Class happen. Try make it happen by spreading the word, but I do want more info/details add for the class. Even though the general idea is pretty clear.

I was on a reminiscing trip when I realized, do you guys know

? Imagine we had one hand with the war fan and the other with this, enabling ranged support and grabs using the cloth (though that would be a clipping and coding nightmare). Just my fancy...Also I think the best way to get this noticed would be to either spam the livestreams or twitter feeds of the team. I'm not sure about the fb page, but can't hurt to try right? Good thing about fans is you can make a pun and hashtag bnsfans haha...

I like you already haha..

My only concern on suggesting a new class to NCsoft is that it might lack something in their eyes. I actually don't even know if they ever consider class suggestion from the community. (hardly happens I think) oh wait maybe the 'Gunner', but I guess I should have asked during the livestream (with the Koreans bosses) about suggesting class and what requirements it needs. Guess why I didn't ask, right im like 80% antisocial......

Anyway, I think if the community want this class to happen. They will have to spread the word, otherwise It won't happen. Maybe it's best if NCWest BnS eyeballs this thread with some thoughts first, while trying to gather more supporters for this class.

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Kurokazu   

My only concern on suggesting a new class to NCsoft is that it might lack something in their eyes. I actually don't even know if they ever consider class suggestion from the community. (hardly happens I think) oh wait maybe the 'Gunner', but I guess I should have asked during the livestream (with the Koreans bosses) about suggesting class and what requirements it needs. Guess why I didn't ask, right im like 80% antisocial......

Anyway, I think if the community want this class to happen. They will have to spread the word, otherwise It won't happen. Maybe it's best if NCWest BnS eyeballs this thread with some thoughts first, while trying to gather more supporters for this class.

Well, it doesn't hurt to try! An idea is an idea and that's how great classes begin: just an idea. You've already provided a lot of awesome insight and examples, so this is definitely something solid for NCsoft to see.

Swordsman online actually does have an iron-fan class called 'Zephyr". I've played it, but I think B&S could do it MUCH better.

Fortunately for us, we do have Hime and Bethany on our forums. So if we can ask them to read over this, maybe they can give us some feedback and pointers before we start advertising this idea with the community. I think this is our first step.

After that, I will do whatever I can to share and support this class. I'm prepared to start posting it around as soon as I get the green light haha :big_smile:

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Swordsman online actually does have an iron-fan class called 'Zephyr". I've played it, but I think B&S could do it MUCH better.

Yep. Other games with fan classes include a game by the same publisher, Heroes of the Three Kingdoms, and Tencent's Moonlight Blade. (I've messed around with Zephyr and Tangmen, as well as used to main

in HOTK. And honestly, even then I already got addicted because fans were too cool to resist ;A; despite the lack of incorporating of skills that ZDestiny listed above. I think B&S, with its more flowing animation style and creativity in its already existing classes that stay more native to martial arts than to MMORPG class standards, could do better in that aspect.

Edit: War Fans is two links, hard to tell i know...

EDIT 2: A fan throwing motion (boomerang throwing motion) is already in game for characters when they pick up the dual-blade that the tribe uses in the North-Eastern desert area.

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Kurokazu   

-snip-

Very good points. This class in other games just doesn't really grasp the martial arts style. They mostly just make it flashy and pretty without the mechanics and forms. B&S can definitely pull it off...rather perfectly I'd say.

@ZDestiny:

I'm considering making a post about this in the general discussion and redirecting people to this thread. This idea deserves more attention than it's getting, especially since many people have been talking about this idea frequently.

I kinda wish this were a sticky or just moved to the general discussion section though.

What do you think?

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@ZDestiny:

I'm considering making a post about this in the general discussion and redirecting people to this thread. This idea deserves more attention than it's getting, especially since many people have been talked about this idea frequently.

I kinda wish this were a sticky or just moved to the general discussion section though.

What do you think?

Uhm I don't think it would be worth as an sticky thread, usually sticky threads serve as an high priority notice.

The main reason I decided to put some details into this class was because of the community showing interest in it.

Make use of the status update, link to this thread, or even twitter around bns related people for opinion/feedback etc. not sure if it's appreciated to post an re-directing thread on the general section.

Also.. something I noticed. Not everyone is using the poll, some of them pressed on the 'like' buttton on the post instead..

Anyway if the community want to make it happen: Raise your voice!

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Yea true... /sigh x.x

It's just unfortunate that so many people have shown interest, but haven't seen or supported this thread. I'm guessing people aren't seeing it because otherwise there would be more votes/comments based on the amount of prior interest.

And yea I noticed that too. Maybe write a quick reminder in the original post to use the poll. It's there for a reason! lol

(Edit: nvm I saw you already did that :big_smile: )

I will start posting the link to this thread around and hopefully it will spread from there!

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So basically you want Katana from MK series or the propriotress from the BnS anime. It should be open to all races bc there's really no reason "paper fans" should be restricted in the world. I don't see the problem with a male expressing himself through whatever form they choose. It's thinking like that, that makes devs make classes race restricted and causes tons of headaches for players. So let's just leave it open to all.

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ZDestiny   

I will start posting the link to this thread around and hopefully it will spread from there!

Nice, that was a little boost already.

So basically you want Katana from MK series or the propriotress from the BnS anime. It should be open to all races bc there's really no reason "paper fans" should be restricted in the world. I don't see the problem with a male expressing himself through whatever form they choose. It's thinking like that, that makes devs make classes race restricted and causes tons of headaches for players. So let's just leave it open to all.

Not really like Kitana.., if I remember it correctly, Kitana is using a different combat style while using iron fans and other type of weapons. I looked it up, she uses Baguazhang and Qin Na styles in her combat.

I have adjusted the text regarding race, in the end it is up to NCsoft to decide, if they ever think about it.

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